welcome to a scrap life a podcast solely focused on the hustlers Grinders operators and business owners who live and breathe the scrap metal industry every day here is your host Brett eard all right down in Scott Louisiana with Sydney and Kip Vincent from Colt Incorporated so this is kind of a dual podcast because usually Craig does talking tires but because the tire recycling industry the scrap metal recycling industry I feel are closely related I get to do the honors of uh being Craig and Brett today so thank you guys for uh taking the time to sit down and talk to me today absolutely glad to have you I uh I can’t help but like you guys have a unique relationship that I watched my whole life and and it kind of brings back like a lot of fond memories for me so not that I’m that much younger than you but i’ the relationship that you guys have and watching you guys kind of how you I could see feels like how you operate your business with the husband and wife team it’s a pretty awesome story so if I remember right earlier you

were telling me that your dad hired your wife was that a way cuz you’re too ugly to get someone marry you or did did he have a vision that uh that that that nobody else had or how why did he how did that happen we were dating already oh okay yeah we were dating was that a way to lock her in uh I guess his vision was you know quicker than mine anyway maybe not better than mine but quicker but quicker yeah which comes with experience right yes yes like the old Bull and the young bull right like we can run down there or we can just walk down there that’s right right that’s exactly right yeah so give me I I’m I’m I love these podcasts because I love to hear the story right and you guys have a multi-generation story and you guys have a third generation now working in the business with Kyle son out there who we met um on the grade side and I love a multi-generation business story especially a small business like you guys like us that you know you guys are you know carrying

on a tradition that your dad started so can you give me a little bit of background and give everybody El a little bit of background on kind of how Colt came about and how it all started uh well uh starting way back in the beginning uh my dad and I had gone to California to see if we wanted to be in the tire recycling business back in 1984 four and uh bought a shredder in California and loaded it on a truck and I drove the truck back with all the conveyors and everything a new Shredder or used Shredder used Shredder okay yep a used uh used Shredder so had truck trouble on the way back we spent Thanksgiving in 1984 at a stues eating hot dogs for our Thanksgiving lunch shout out to Stephanie Stucky that’s right yeah so that’s how we started in the business uh that was in uh in December of 84 is whenever uh Texas tire disposal was my dad’s company who had he had seven investors in Texas tire disposal uh we actually rented a building in Fort Worth Texas from uh Arie Gman from Gman metals and it

all goes back to scrap it all goes back to it’s a full CLE pretty soon you’re going to have that yard out there you have you have a scrap yard too but we’ll talk about that later yeah we started out in a 50,000 ft Warehouse everything our trucks were parked inside that was the only space we had was inside the warehouse so uh that’s where we started out in uh in 1985 actually processing and and recycling tires so uh we went from that uh to uh my dad leaving that company and forming another company with two investors that was uh was uh Southern tire recyclers okay in Texas as well that was in Texas as well we had plants in Houston San Anton and Dallas uh our largest customer was the discount tires okay back then we handled all the discount tires in Texas at the time and that was in the early 90s and then uh filed bankruptcy in 92 I believe is when that was was that 92 so we had a uh so real quick though just I want to touch on that yeah what was the cause of on

the bankruptcy side you know when you talk about that cuz I mean that’s not like the most uncommon thing in the tire recycling side I mean most people say I’ve heard it when we were talking about getting into it they’re like whatever you do don’t become another tire casualty right exactly because it’s a very common thing I mean and we didn’t take it lightly because obviously so many people have been down that path and had to kind of fight that battle so what was the in ’92 if you don’t want to get too far into whatever was the no it was markets I mean uh we had Market Inus markets for product we were stacking all of our product at the time uh we only had so much storage space on our facilities and what products were you making at that time uh we were making uh well we we were making a civil engineering product okay we didn’t know that’s exactly what it was back then yeah but we were shredding to a 3 to 4 in shred at the time and so uh we did do some crumb rubber work uh in

the late 80s uh and cryogenics at that time before Dad went off in his second Venture but uh when when our facilities got full the state of Texas uh came in and shut shut him down okay so uh we at that time took a Mobile Shredder that we had and uh with uh my brother and my dad and I we all went to uh Baltimore Maryland and we shredded tires for Emanuel tire for two and A2 years as like a subcontractor just a subcontractor uh uh he was Norman was nice enough to give us something to do yeah so uh so there had to be like a some sort of like passion interest something that kept you in it at that point in the game right CU most people would be like okay yeah maybe I just don’t need to be in the tire business but well but you I got obviously you had the equipment right available to you so you’re like well we if we can put this thing to work then I can at least go make a living it definitely gets in your blood yeah you know just the recycling

side gets in your blood so uh you know we’ve we’ve only done tires and in our uh life in the recycling business so uh the uh the challenge is always uh trying to balance that what’s in your blood yeah with with what p with reality yes there were a lot of tense moments yes going through that where I was like no we’re not no no more Baltimore no more this no more that because there was a moment when you were working for the original with the two investors company right cuz you were in medical you were in medical billing I was in medical billing yeah so I’ll let you tell your side of the story but but but you started medical billing or you started on the tire side and then went back to Medical bilding yes yeah whenever they closed down Southern tire recyclers to go to Baltimore I went back to Medical Belling with to my old job and then um you guys were married at this point yes okay yeah and uh was on him constantly I’m done I’m done you know I’m living down in South Texas he’s living in

Baltimore two weeks on two weeks off and I was pregnant uhhuh and uh not a happy camper yeah not there are some stories we won’t get into that yeah no no hey at some point we’ll we’ll stop there but I just but but I just want to make sure like that there was a point then obviously when when you decided to come back into the business and and I that’s obviously later in the story kind of how you guys got into cult but I just want everybody to know like your role in it you were in it before before oh yeah she been there for the for the Long Haul the Long Haul yes well we’ve been married 210 years yeah I get it I get it we C in dog years one feels like seven that’s but uh yeah that was so after Baltimore you guys go to Baltimore you shred Mo you guys basically as a subcontractor would you say two and a half years yes two and a half years and then in uh 1995 is whenever the uh wasti TI program started here in Louisiana okay and we had the

opportunity to come back and subcontract shred or contract shred for another company that was already here uh they needed a they had a shredder but they needed a shredder that would shred to a 3X3 uh shred because the tire program in the beginning required uh for the subsidy to be paid out for a 3X3 uh shred so uh that gave us the opportunity to to uh come back to Louisiana for me to come back south back home bring the shredder back bring the shredder back here uh at that point is when really uh we sort of changed roles uh dad went to work for Emanuel for uh Emmanuel tire at the time uh Sydney and I we started Colt uh December of 94 when we inated at this facility okay uh all we did was subcontract the work to shred and uh uh the company that was here collected all the tires and delivered to the markets and then in 1995 or 98 yeah 98 the DEQ came in and shut them down and forced them to file bankruptcy so uh uh we took over their permits we took over all their bills and

we started and went from two employees to 20 employees the next day oh wow yes so was that a tough decision for you at the time it was the only thing we had to do yeah it was it wasn’t too tough it was like all right here we go yeah cuz obviously you’re pretty you’re deep in the tires at that point and you you understand you understand your customer base you understand yeah and so in a in a way like if you could make it work it was kind of a readymade setup for you in in as far as like the customers were in place but obviously there was the part could you make it work right and obviously the people before you didn’t that’s one of the things that we always figure out is just how to make it work yeah how do you make it work right well I mean and and and not like when I we talked to lvon previously and I listened to you know Craig talked to leavon interview him the tire because the tire recycling industry is is New Right relatively speaking compared to say this the

scrap metal recycling where it’s been around you know since the turn of the century and then and it’s it is viewed more as a commodity right where tires even to this day to most people still viewed as waste correct and um as just like any product that’s that starts out as waste and eventually people figure out how to make it into a commodity or or at least a use turn into a usable form it’s got to go through like many like iterations and it feels like the people that can survive and keep battling and keep working through those iterations make it work yes right for lack of a better word can can build real businesses and have real impact but through a lot of trying times The Laughing the crying the ups and downs yeah all the things you know so it was it’s been it’s been interesting so makes you stronger though yeah but I mean so those years are like I mean so when did you come back in full-time like when you what year was that when you guys when it was went from two to 204 I had come

it was in um n when whenever we took over from AI I then you started back fulltime after took yeah I had already moved over here and um cuz I didn’t like even living you know 4 hours away it was still 4 hours away so I moved over here and I was just a stay-at-home mom doing the ply little books at the house for for the business it wasn’t much cuz we we weren’t transporting we were just shredding yeah and uh So then whenever the call came in that hey tomorrow we’re not going to have a job yeah or we can take 20 employees yeah or we can digest this and and so you know that we bit the elephant we ate it one bite at a time so what was the I mean what was the the sentiment between all the guys working here and guys whoever was here were they just happy to have someone here that wanted to continue the business or was it mean for the most part I mean yeah they’re uh manager probably was the only person who wasn’t happy to see that happen you know

which ended up not being with us but uh you know the person that we uh had a great relationship with was uh their maintenance person his name was Junior and uh well he had a cjun name but we everybody just called him Junior called Junior yeah but uh uh you know we we had he was gift with purchase is kind of what we call it cuz he he came with the business he was but he stayed until he passed away oh he was still employed with us until he passed away I mean it would be 30 years now yeah that he would have been with us and to that point like anytime you have this much equipment around right I mean your maintenance guy whoever’s you know running your maintenance program is like almost invaluable right oh yes the people that know the equipment and and we couldn’t get Kyle who’s over there behind the camera we couldn’t get him to come on the camera but you know some 94 and if I remember remember the story correctly was it in 99 that Kyle came to join the team yes came back into the

end tires he was running uh a company for uh an energy for another tire group called Nathaniel Nathaniel energy up in the Dallas Fort Worth area uh in Texas but uh uh and then he went out into the used tire business uh from there and uh then came to work for us here in 99 nice so 98 to 99 was a big transition for us because Dad uh you know whenever uh the company that was here uh went bankrupt to close their doors you know Sydney and I took over dad came back and worked for us you know we were the owners and he was working for us and my brother came back into the business in 99 so it was uh those were big years for us it was like a true Family Family Affair right it took all of us yeah and is it does it take all of you as a family because nobody’s getting paid much you need more family or what how does that you’re definitely the last one to get paid okay you are the last one on Friday to receive a check yeah I always say like

you know people always ask me why did your dad partner with Schnitzer Steel in 1997 right and I was like and my dad will tell you goes cuz I didn’t have any money like I couldn’t buy them out cuz I never got paid right like I you know I mean never enough to buy especially to buy anybody out like was lucky to make my house payment and pay for my kids to keep keep going so he’s like I really it wasn’t that I wanted a partner it was that I didn’t have a choice if I was ever going to retire my dad yeah you know I understand that so so as a I mean as a as a family business I mean you guys have a you know you guys have found a way to make it work and you guys have found a way to make a I mean and how and so when you guys chop up the operation like what are the lanes like who does what uh she does they say I’m the boss I’m just boss she does whatever she wants uh I get it I get it uhuh

uh no I mean Sydney grew up in the business and and uh did only 32 yeah me uh you know the the money side of the business yeah somebody had to read contracts do I cross teas and make sure right that I mean somebody had to be cheap yeah it was me I was the cheap one you know Kyle my brother and I we did operations together for for years building the business and uh dad was very good at doing all the political stuff right you know had handled all the political stuff and and uh that side of things legislative legislative and uh you know the business side of things too you know I mean we were obviously we own the company so we were heavily involved in the business side but uh eventually dad uh you know went all and sort of semi-retired and moved back to Dallas Fort Worth and uh you know lived out the rest of his days there yeah so uh uh that left us my brother which his son has has come to work and running our plant for us and is doing a great job and

Kyle runs all of the uh operations MH and uh unfor person take care of the political side and the business side and Sydney still oversees the books and so I I mean I curiosity why why is the political side so important to our industry I mean what I mean you sit on the iy board for the Gulf Coast chapter which is we talked about at lunch which is great but why is that so important to our industry right now well your I think just just from what you talked about earlier I mean the tire side of things uh look I was successful in getting a bill past many years ago that classified our product in Louisiana as recovered material and not waste yes but many states are still it’s a waste it’s a it’s a solid waste it’s dealt with that way and uh you know to try to get those things changed and and understood in our our industry is you know it’s a big Challenge and needs to be done you know because we do produce products uh they’re going out into the marketplace’s products the only thing we have in a

tire today that is considered a commodity is Wire yeah you know the tire wire and that’s just from being uh steel and I feel like the reason I wanted to bring that up and I’m glad you gave that answer is because I feel like on the scrap end which is now I mean if you listen to I and what they’re trying to say is you know recycled materials is what they’re trying to Rebrand what we’re doing is because they’re they’re basically they’ve seen almost how tires have been treated over the years so you guys are working Upstream trying to become recycled materials right scraps trying to not work too far Downstream to become waste because to come back up I mean it’s like a salmon right but you wiggle your way back up you know you go out to the ocean and try and wiggle your way back up the river I mean it’s a tough go it is and I think when I listen to Sako and I listen to is they can see the detriment if you fall and you get classified as a waste or they view you even if the

Optics is of waste then that that’s what makes people nervous and rightfully so because of how hard even you have to work even on from a state standpoint let alone on a national level to just be classified as a recycled material you know look just getting a law passed doesn’t change all of your uh Department of Environmental Quality people’s minds yes and understanding of what is happening in the tire recycling business uh so that’s still a challenge and you know from the political side and having lobbyist and all that uh and fighting those things is is a 12 Monon out of the Year battle yeah you know so you know with our state program here with a subsidy program in Louisiana it makes it even more challenging uh in how that system is set up why do people fight that so hard on the tire recycling side you would think I mean tires aren’t going to go away right I mean whether it’s an electric car hope not a gasoline car or the car runs on unicorn piss it doesn’t really matter like it’s still going to need four tires and a spare right

right so you would think that people would be like yeah if there’s anything we can do to turn this product into something that’s usable then let’s support that like full force but it makes you wonder what the push back is you know on the on the recycling side you know especially I mean you guys I mean we when we put in our our facility it was we went to um to crumb right cuz we cuz that’s the what our Market kind of forced us to do to be competitive you guys have a unique Market here in the fact that you guys can go to what you call um a civil engineering engineering product product right which for those of you guys that don’t know is a what size does that uh well I mean so for the industry that’s TDA yeah it’s Tire derived aggregate okay uh is what that term is for civil engineering markets and uh there’s an ASM standard for that so it can be anywhere from a a 4 in to a 12in product I mean we produce a 4 to 6 in product is what we produce and uh

that’s our first line that we have in place uh to to do uh processing so uh and look there’s a lot of engineering facets to Tire material as a lightweight fill material uh you know the different uh compaction rates you can get out of it I mean there’s a lot of engineering uh behind Tire material in civil engineering products so and I think that that’s something that like the state of Idaho we’re still behind on right and I’m sure I mean I’m just I can only speak to what I know not the other states and just because I’m so green in this industry I mean that’s one of the reasons why I’m here right is I’m like just tell me like teach me I’m like I’m I just want to be a sponge like let me know because I’m a I’m interested and B um I think there’s a lot of opportunity in the space if you can get some support behind it and support just means maybe not as much push back sometimes support is just not even Financial just hey give us a chance to prove that we can do something with

this material versus just shred send to landf right and part of that is like a is is like even on the whatever that your do specific. goov is is like encourage civil engineers to write it into the spec like encourage them to look at all these other projects that have happened and see if there’s an opportunity and then you’re going to create because like business begets business I mean people will go where there’s money to be made absolutely and if civil engineers start writing stuff into spec they give the material a chance people like oh I could make that I could shred you know tires and then it just becomes who’s the best at it you guys want have a hell of a deal but I mean I don’t think anybody I don’t think I haven’t been to any place they can set up and and do what you guys do the way you guys do it the volume you do it but I think that people would start to be a little more motivated to try and figure it out if they knew that there was a place to go with right look

back in the early days we just processed tires you you know whether it was civil engineering we didn’t know exactly what we were we were trying to develop markets trying to come up with things and then I believe it was in uh the early 90s uh where the tdf market the the alternative fuel Market got developed and look that market grew into 70% of the volume in the country going to tdf you know 70 plus percent at one time mhm and uh took a lot of volume around the country and that’s now that market shrinking or has been shrinking over the last uh several years a lot of processors in the country are going back to civil engineering yeah because it took such a big volume and it’s down below 50% now you know so it it’s always changing the high-end products of your crumb Rubber and all of that look we would love to be able to go to that product yeah I don’t know of many processors that wouldn’t love to go to that product but uh the markets are just it’s not there the End Market has to be there

yes if there’s anything I’ve learned throughout this whole process you know from our own our own um Adventures to talking to other people is you you’re you have to know your market and know what your end markets are for that tire whether it’s a civil whether it’s a landfill just a shred and landfill shred and Berry yes or whether it’s a civil type product or whether you can go to crumb or an asphalt additive or whatever that is how far you want to take it but there still is not as many homes for the finished product as there is tires coming off you know cars pick up semis tractors every day so that feels to me like the trickier part yes yeah so how do you see that market developing in the future I mean what is the what is the crystal ball when you rub it what do over over the 39 40 years we’ve been in business yeah uh there’s things beyond your control and you just have to figure out how to adjust to what’s happening you know like I said I mean tdf uh Louisiana itself had seven tdf markets

uh fuel markets at one time now they only have one you know and Market wise we can’t afford to process fuel for them you know so uh we go back to civil engineering if fuel markets come back we’ll go to fuel you know it it’s just uh it’s really whoever can pivot the quickest yes right whoever’s built into their business model to make the pivot yep we haven’t processed fuel in 7 years maybe eight years seven eight years eight or n but our system’s still sitting out here I was going to say we talked about that it’s there it’s ready when that we started every 30 days as part of our maintenance program we run everything and then if if we need to start running fuel we’re ready to run fuel because at the end of the day it goes back to that you if you have a home or or a better home or a whatever temporarily Better Home and you can capitalize on that whoever has the the facilities the the Machinery whatever process it in place can can take the can take advantage of it right and if you don’t then

you’re kind of if you went all in on tdf or crumb or whatever then you’re kind of in a spot where you’re going to have to figure out because I think that that the tires keep coming oh they never stop yeah I think they have babies overnight that’s what happens when you come in the next come in the next morning it’s like where did there’s more here now than there was last night which is good if they’re accounted for yeah exactly it’s uh no they never stop coming so I mean what do you I mean do you feel like the future is are you optimistic about the future of tire recycling oh yeah I mean it there’s there’s no other way to uh I mean you’re an you mean you guys I mean you come from an entrepreneurial family right I mean so do I and I’m one of those guys like I’ll I’ll look at the glass Hat full always and try and find it something because if you’re sit around and poo poo about the day or this problem like I promise you that if you don’t deal with this one if

in the position that you three are in there’s five more that are going to hit you in the face like if you don’t mess around with this one you got to get it believe care of it and keep going right and that’s right but I mean from an optimistic I mean what about you s I mean what do you think about the market are you are you I’m more uh optimistic about the asphalt markets using it you know using more crumb products he and I do have differing opinions on a lot of that but uh we you know we’ve been in the asphalt business we’ve done a lot of different things but he is right God I that know that pain is painful it’s okay um because you know whenever they you know the ORD stopped coming in you’ve got to have a place to go and and the civil engineering I mean there’s always new places to use rubber as a replacement for for aggregate yeah especially down here along the coast yeah and you know erosion control and things like that that’s that was going to say why more here on the

coast and say somewhere else is it strictly erosion control and soft soils soft soil because it’s very Sandy right uh it’s not necessarily Sandy it’s just marshy I mean it’s it’s a lightweight material you put rock across soft soiles it just sinks you know you can put rubber in there and and uh it uh uh you know it reacts totally different the way that it sort of lays itself in and and ties itself together to where it it makes like a uh Bridge type situation yeah I think that’s one thing I mean one thing I think a lot of States could look at what you guys are doing here on just the civil engineering side like you said back filling on a bulkhead I mean in Idaho we we build I mean we I remember my first trip to Indiana we had bought a pipe company in Indiana and I remember like looking around when we first got we flew into Indianapolis and we’re driving to Newcastle and looking around I’m like there’s no pivots like why is there no pivots like there’s no and they’re like oh we get enough rain we don’t

need canals and we don’t because we’re but we’re so used to we sell bulkheads right so we’re used to putting bulkheads in and and I’m like well if you don’t have any canals no pivots necessary but so in our area and I know I think on the Civil side there’s a there’s a lot of opportunity you know oh yeah if you’re willing if you’re willing to look at the opportunity just to understand how tire rubber Works in a behind a bulkhead so so it it lays in with the shreds so whenever the water comes in it’s got a 50% void in there the water comes in if there if it’s in a tide situation to where you actually have Tides uh then your tide is coming in and going into your rubber and going back out it’s not taking the sand or dirt with it and the other thing it does is it puts about half of the weight on the actual bulkhead itself uh beside you know when you put dirt behind it it’s it’s a huge load you’ll see the bulkheads all leaning out with Tire material that doesn’t happen so just

that aspect you know just in that little niche of a market you know you can use even in we’ve done commercial uh bulkheads here not just residential bulkheads so we’ve used some rubber in the past in and you were describing landfill um like new landfill cells right Le lining so you say come in you put put your your new liner in when you build a a new new cell and then for those of you who don’t know how a landfill is constructed and once they dig the pit or whatever then they have some sort of rubber polyurethane or whatever like coating that goes down basically so the whatever is being put through in the landfill doesn’t leech down into the groundwater essentially Y and then depends on the landfill some people run gas pipes through it to capture the methane gas and then use it either Burn It Off yeah as an aggregate replacement as an aggregate replacement the thing that we ran into is we did Supply some uh through our tanas we were we we did Supply some uh um Aggregate and the biggest thing we had to do is screen it

so they didn’t want fines right to get into the the perforations on the pipe but other than that they loved it they’re like yeah this is a great fit for this product we don’t have to buy rock you know we can lay it in there right on top and use the tires but but aside you you were describing to me earlier essentially they’ll go in and they have to put was like 2 feet of liner give or take yep some landfills their design is twoot of sand in their in their leate system so uh the DEQ here allows a landfill to substitute a foot of that with tire rubber so we’ll put like 15 in of tire rubber and it compact down to the 12 in so uh but it’s that’s a specific design for a leech 8 liner is 2 foot of sand other ones don’t use sand they’ll use some other product which is twofold it saves the landfill money on buying sand and it also provides a good use for you know shredd tires recycling Market exactly exactly I’m bullish on the recycling industry I mean the one thing I will

say I mean I don’t pretend to know a lot about the tire recycling industry I’m still on a mission to learn but you don’t see many companies that have been around for 39 years in this industry right I mean that’s a pretty like a a congratulations B that’s a tall order it feels like thank um especially being as small as we are as you know family oriented oriented company you know um to be to to battle the day-to-day issues so if you had to attribute that to anything why is that why are you still here we’re stubborn we’re very stubborn I I would add some other words but I feel like that’s probably but the most politically correct yeah but I mean you have to be right I mean absolutely yeah oh there were many times we were ready to give up oh yeah I’ve pulled his hair out I mean you can tell I mean you can see this what would you describe why are you still here uh you know like I said before it’s it’s just in your blood I enjoy recycling I think it’s something that uh uh

you know not from a I don’t know how to describe it I don’t think like the world needs it to survive you know not that part of what I’m saying but it is just it’s a necessary part of what uh it’s something can be done so why aren’t we doing it yeah you know it’s it’s not hard to it’s not hard to do I always said like somebody asked me that and I said you know not very many like careers do you get to do something good and still have and run a business you can make money right and maybe some years making money a little tougher than others that could be subjective yeah but in generally speaking employ the amount of people you employee invest in your community people have jobs they have careers they have and at the same time like you’re actually doing something that’s good for you know and I don’t pretend to be like a tree hugging like it is what it is I mean but but we are but what we’re doing is good absolutely and I mean we’re pro we’re making we’re turning a sandwich into something

that you can use you can you can do something with right and for me we have we have 88 employees now yeah you know I mean uh uh we have a lot of employees that been with us uh oh 20 plus years 20 plus years I mean our our median is is 10 years yeah for our employees so I mean it’s uh it’s about providing for those families it’s uh it’s all of that you know it’s it’s I I I I love it like I said that’s that’s to me I’ve always been like you could people could get really like green on you and get really down to earth and I to me it is like you get you’re doing something good for your local community you’re doing something good on a World level but you’re also you know you’re providing jobs and you’re you know so keeping my brother out of trouble yeah exactly something to do I don’t know I’ve seen what what he’s got built what he’s got going out there like you guys have a hell of a system I think he keeps a lot of other people out of

trouble too so everybody’s scratching each other’s backs here absolutely well thank you guys for taking the time I do appreciate it and thank you for the the lessons the the information today I learned a lot and I appreciate you guys so thank you again we enjoyed it y enjoyed and I got some cinjun food for lunch there you go yeah which was awesome which means I ate enough I don’t eat dinner thank you guys thank you we do that all the time we eat dinner too well I probably eat dinner tonight too I probably have a couple Co lights with yeah all right thank you guys all right thank you