The Trade – Episode #1 with Nick, Brett and Chad | April 2nd, 2025

On this inaugural episode of "The Trade," a commodities round up focused podcast, the guys discuss the tariffs announced today, the power of persevering through difficult and unprecedented times, and why communication is key. Produced by Recycled Media.

Transcription

## Welcome to a Scrap Life

**Host: Brett Ehart**

Welcome to a Scrap Life, a podcast solely focused on the hustlers, grinders, operators, and business owners who live and breathe the scrap metal industry every day. Today, we have a special episode, a commodities roundup that blends Bulls versus Bears Metal Monday. We’re aiming to get Chad involved along with our boardroom.

**Brett Ehart:**

Chad, how are you doing?

**Chad:**

I’m excellent, sir. Thanks for letting me be part of Metal Monday.

**Brett Ehart:**

Thanks for joining us with all that data to help forecast market changes. I’ve got my eyes on you, buddy. Also, Happy Liberation Day to everyone. It’s a good day for America, regardless of market volatility. So, let’s dive in.

### The State of the Market

**Brett Ehart:**

Talking about the overall market, we’ve seen some significant shifts. The Dow Jones has dropped below the 200-day moving average. Traditionally, once you break that, you’re considered to be in a recession or bear market. Chad, as someone from the corporate world, you’re familiar with these dynamics.

**Chad:**

Absolutely, Brett. Companies often reevaluate, cut unnecessary expenses, and optimize their operations. Initially, these cuts may make figures look worse, but they create a leaner, more efficient organization eventually.

**Brett Ehart:**

It’s a process similar to turning a cruise ship. It doesn’t happen overnight but the gains are on the horizon.

### Consumer Confidence and Market Reactions

**Chad:**

Consumer confidence is another vital component. Currently, it’s down, showing extreme fear levels. When everyone’s afraid, it’s often a time to find opportunities and double down, investing in what you believe in.

**Brett Ehart:**

Speaking of investments, the PE ratio of the stock market is above historical levels. It doesn’t necessarily mean doom but indicates a shift. New tech-driven companies might be changing the landscape.

**Chad:**

Absolutely, and those are details to consider if you’re actively watching the market or investing.

### Scrap Metal Insights

**Brett Ehart:**

How does this affect scrap? U.S. steel imports have changed, and expectations are for a reduction. Still, we haven’t seen a corresponding rise in domestic crude steel production. The market is cautious, dealing with tariffs and fluctuating hot roll pricing.

**Chad:**

It seems like the market is taking a pause, especially with automotive demand adjustments. Will it roll over or resume growth? That remains a question.

### Copper and Other Commodities

**Nick:**

I’ve noticed copper fluctuates between $5 to 5.20 a pound as a trading area. Demand is steady, but we experience volatility.

**Brett Ehart:**

I predict we’ll see some drops, maybe to 4.75 again, fulfilling a cyclical pattern.

**Chad:**

Interestingly, Dr. Copper usually indicates overall economic health. But current market anomalies and potential tariffs have skewed traditional reactions.

### Final Thoughts

**Brett Ehart:**

The market is ever-shifting. For small and medium scrap enterprises, staying informed and networking with industry players is crucial. Knowledge about local mills, inventory, and consumer trends empowers business decisions.

**Chad:**

You’re exactly right, Brett. This is a time for informed education and strategic positioning. The market is educational, and no one is isolated.

**Nick:**

Communication with customers is essential for gauging market shifts. Engagement helps clarify business needs and expectations, ensuring successful operations.

**Brett Ehart:**

So, whether you’re buying or selling, knowing the trends, maintaining connections, and leveraging insights will help you manage market changes effectively.

**Chad:**

Happy Liberation Day! Let’s keep moving forward.

Thank you, everyone!

*Note: Adaptations or additional insights were added for a clearer understanding and flow of information.*